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out today, still no rally for stocks. is it really still all about the fiscal cliff for investors right now? let's talk about that in our clo"closing bell" exchange. steve liesman will have breaking news momentarily. steve, do you have that? >> yes, i do. what we have is a report from the new york fed on consumer finance. what the news shows is that overall, consumer credit outside of real estate is up just a bit. most of that, by the way, is student loan debt, being up about $42 billion inside that $2.7 trillion number. overall, mortgage debt is down and overall debt is down. the basic gist of the details, bill, is that consumer credit continues to decline overall. delinquencies are down and bankruptcies are down. balance sheet repair continues. a little bit more willingness of the consumer to take on some debt and a lot of it -- >> that's very interesting, steve. let me ask you something, david. >> i want to make one more point, which is that when you talk about how much the dow is down today, it should be down more because the rally we didn't have from the better economic news
the late-day selloff? most on the street blaming these words out of washington about fiscal cliff. >> there's been little progress with the republicans, which is a disappointment to me. they've talked some happy talk about doing revenues, but we only have a couple weeks to get something done. so we have to get away from the happy talk and start talking about specific things. >> as we head into the fiscal cliff negotiations, my advice to the president would be seems like our friends on the other side are having some difficulty turning off the campaign. we need to sit down and work this matter out. >> behind closed doors. even with the fiscal cliff looming over the markets, our own jeff cox with cnbc.com says there's a growing bit of optimism about the outlook for next year. take a look at some of the predictions from some of the street's biggest names regarding the s&p 500 for next year. it's quite a chapg for morgan stanley, by the way, whose 2012 forecast was for the s&p to close at 1167 on december 31 of this year. >> wow. they're expecting a mega rally next year. >> he hates having to co
. >>> welcome to "the closing bell." we're at the new york stock exchange. it's as the fiscal cliff turns here on wall street yet again. we're less than an hour away from completing what could wind up being a dramatic comeback on wall street. >> it is feeling like a soap opera. i'm michelle caruso-cabrera. maria bartiromo will be back tomorrow. the dow had been down more than 100 points earlier in the session but came storming back after encouraging fiscal cliff talk from washington. listen. >> it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. but i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a framework that does that in the coming weeks. in fact, my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> wow. that's optimism. there you go. right now the dow jones industrial average is higher by 72 points. 12,950. the nasdaq is also in positive territory by about 11 points. the s&p 500, and you can see the same intraday pattern all three sessions,
the crisis over, yes, the fiscal cliff. and origin tina's rating is slashed over five notches. we'll speak to a bondholder who once represented the country's creditors. >> you're watching "worldwide exchange," bringing you business news from around the globe. >>> as we get into the trading session here in europe, you can see behind me decliners outpacing advancers by about a 4-1 ratio, with stocks shedding about a third of a percent. we'll get to more of that shortly. first take a look at the forces individually to get a sense of where we're seeing the selling pressure and it is pretty much consistent. there's the ibex 35 down .7 of a percent. the ftse down about a third of a percent. not many green spots to find. yesterday we saw that rally in peripheral debt. today we're actually seeing firmer prices across the board, so whether the u.s. down there or italy and spain here in the periphery, 4.7%, 6%, remarkable there, level for spain even today as the country's banks are being more fully examined in light of the national examination plans. the dollar/yen pulling back about half a percent
, welcome to "squawk on the street" i'm carl cramer is off today. some word the fiscal cliff negotiations are not getting off to a good start. moderate red arrows. european leaders failed to reach a bailout payment to greece and will try monday. road map starts on the busiest travel day of the year. there are signs it could be a big quarter for airline and travel, but traditional toys look weak. walmart may have protesters outside its doors on friday. >> deer misses earnings, and the market shrugs it off. >> turmoil in israel with a bomb explosion on board a bus today and a rumored cease-fire that never happened. crude is up $1 as the secretary of state has arrived in cairo. a big day full of planes, trains and automobiles with tens of millions of americans set to embark on their holiday weekend journeys. our phil lebeau is in chicago with more on the holiday travel landscape. how painful is it going to be? >> you know, carl f you're traveling, you always need a little more patience thanksgiving weekend. for the airlines, they're keeping their fingers crossed because if you look at a map
, off its lows at 1404. fears of the fiscal cliff taking center stage once again, driving stocks lower after last week's 3% surge. that big gain friday, 172 points. we lost a third of that right now. how can you protect your for portfolio? we have chief washington correspondent john harwood, bill from coors state capital advisers who has a review of the new "lincoln" movie, lee munson and senior economics reporter steve liesman, plus mary thompson. we're going to be here for a while. john, let's start with you. any signs of progress on the hill? >> reporter: nothing tangible. we saw it at the initial meeting between the president and congressional leaders. we saw it over the weekend when some republicans again repeated their openness to being willing to raise taxes, which is something that is violated republican orthodoxy. here is jay carney just a few minutes ago in reaction to those comments. >> some of the comments you mentioned are welcome. and they represent what we hope is a difference in tone and approach to these problems and a recognition that a balanced approach to deficit re
lawmakers to get a deal done and avoid the fiscal cliff. >>> next stop, the white house later this afternoon. good afternoon, everybody. i'm tyler mathisen. it is a big day in this national discussion about how washington can avoid the fiscal cliff. some of the senators in the center of the debate will be stopping by. we may hear from some ceos this hour. we do expect to hear from some of them at a press conference later this hour. the president, by the way, weighed in on the debate this morning as well. sue, a busy day down here in washington. >> it sure is, ty. indeed it is here as well. we are going to be joined by a very special guest, noted author and investor nassem taleb. after dropping more than 100 points in the early going, the dow sittingality the highs of the day. it's been an extremely volatile trading session, we're up just about 80 points or so. bob pisani joins me from the floor of the nyse. bob, they're parsing every word coming out of capitol hill and house speaker boehner giving a boost to the markets a bit ago. >> he did. he is a little more optimistic. but we're being bl
to the president's chief economic adviser about the fiscal cliff negotiations as second hour of the "closing bell" gets under way right now. >>> welcome to "closing bell." bill griffeth rejoins us in a moment. no follow-through rally. stocks closing in the red on fiscal cliff fears. dow jones lower by 43 points, 12,966. nasdaq finishes higher by nearly 10, 2,976. and the s&p down almost 3%, 1406. >> the deadline for the fiscal cliff is nearly one month away. if we go over that cliff, russ says some investors are not prepared for that decline. >> he joins us now a long with michael, cnbc contributor for destination wealth management and mary thompson joins us as well. russ, you're saying it's not priced in at this point. what should we be worried about? >> it's not priced in. it's very hard to find much evidence, either from investors or the sell side that people really expect to go over the fiscal cliff. i think what that means is if we get into the end of the year and looks like negotiations are not going forward, we may not solve this before 2013, we're likely to see rise in volatility, likely
or another, that's about all i hear on this fiscal cliff business, and you know what? what about spending cuts which is the true source of the deficit problem along with anemic economic growth. and here's one. we just got confirmation that the latest fiscal numbers from the treasury department show the federal government ran up more red ink in october than it did the year before, and guess what? spending went up double digits from the year before. what a surprise. but the white house got one thing right today. it released a study showing that a massive year-end tax hike would kill consumer spending by $200 billion, right. so let's not raise taxes. and in addition to all of this, the joint chiefs of staff is apparently drawing up plans to keep 10,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan past the 2014 deadline. this break a president obama promise, but some promises are made to be broken, and i think this is probably a good move. but first up congress back at work tonight after the holiday recess with now just 35 days to go. are we any closer to a tax and fiscal cliff fix? cnbc's own chief washington
tomorrow. a reversal of fortune on wall street as stocks trade on fiscal cliff comments from president obama and john boehner. here's how we finished the day on wall street, near the highs. up 105 points. 12,983. we'll have technicians looking at this day, seeing if it's a key reversal. the s&p also in positive territory. market driven by headlines and bluster out of washington. yep, that's what investors should expect short term. maybe until january 1st. should they also expect a rally any time soon? according to ryan dieterich, rally could most definitely be headed our way. >> he joins us now to explain along with peter anderson from congress asset management company. bill mcvail from turner investment partners and our very own rick santelli. peter, i have to begin with you. with a name like congress asset management, is congress going to come through for your assets? >> well, i wish i had an inside scoop on that, but unfortunately, we're also left to speculate at this point. but i will say this. what's incredible about this market is the way the market moved up today, it's an instan
the right thing about the fiscal cliff deal, boy, will these markets turn on a dime and i would like to be optimistic. neither taxes nor spending nor entitlements were solved today. in fact, president obama never even mentioned the word spending. the one thing we do know, your taxes are going up from an obama care tax attack. no matter what happens on the fiscal cliff. and is another bailout nation on the way? student loans up to $1 trillion, huge delinquency rates, default rates going sky high, no credit standards and sky high tuition. sound likes a real bad story to me. ceos have just wrapped up their meeting with president obama about the fiscal cliff and minutes ago john harwood landed a big fish. goldman sachs ceo lloyd blank finefein. >> the highlight of the meeting was the intensity from which the white house emphasized that marge al rates as a matter of math and politics have to go up somewhat, if not all the way to 31.6 had to go up and as p he said as a necessary ingredient of a deal, he would support such a rate. >> the president said we would pursue our own interests. i'm
that was very premature about the fiscal cliff. we still see little or no movement on a deal. president obama might want higher rates and cap on reductions for more tax revenues. that could be a deal-breaker and the markets won't stand for long while nothing gets wrong. i don't want to be overly pessimistic. i'm trying to be realistic. i'm reporting what i'm hearing. but stocks did rise a bit on news after cease-fire between israel and whhamas. is israel snaf particularly when we know that palestinians and gaza may just rest unand rearm for the next round? >>> finally as you head out into the thanksgiving traffic, ask yourself where president obama still hasn't given the green light to the keystone pipeline that would give us jobs and energy n independence? now a truly bipartisan group of senators is telling the president to make a decision right now. first up this evening, this is the big question. will we get a deal done or might president obama just let us go right over the fiscal cliff, take the recession, and simply blame the gop? this is a serious question that i'm hearing from washingt
to "power lunch." it is a fiscal cliff faceoff. president obama meeting with small business leaders at the white house this afternoon to make his case for higher taxes ahead. we will also go to the home state of a kai player in tey pl talks. >>> the chevy volt struggling to work with car makers aed car buyers. why is general motors doubling down with its big bet in electric and has it jumped its sales? >>> facebook stock up 10% in the past week and 30% the past two months. has it finally turned a corpser? >>> speaking of corners, we have switched corners, tyler, the gentleman that he is, is braving you the snow and the ice in new york city and he is down on the floor of the new york estock exchange. >> a mucky day. not since 2008 has it been so high. more evidence the housing recovery is taking root. prices rising in the big cities but a warning we may head into a recession next year if the u.s. and europe don't solve their fiscal messes. right now the dow industrials a built of a breather down 21 points. >>> meanwhile, 34 days to the fiscal cliff. will a deal be done in time? today
. with all these variables, elections, mideast, fiscal cliff, it seems as though there's only so much flight to safety bid you can push into the marketplace. some traders say that's why you didn't notice. in the old days, it would make a difference. yields are already most accommodative from a nervousness standpoint. i will tell you it was the number one conversation. and even though it really isn't about oil, that's the market everybody is trading to of course kind of play the headlines. >> michael, how about you? how does this impact the way you're allocating capital? >> well, as you know, our strategy is about 45% in cash while the prefunctory -- what we'll have left to boost us higher. i think the market does go higher. here's why. you have $85 billion each month from the federal reserve as far as balance sheet expansion. you have negative real interest rates that will be getting even more negative. i expect inflation to take off significantly early in 2013. >> but if you're sitting on 45% cash, that says to me you're still expecting more downside here. don't you think we've already seen
on the fiscal cliff. should stop spending in its tracks. >> the house of pain. >> welcome to a world, a ball of confusion. confusion that produces results like we had today in the market. where the averages swung wildly, dow falling 89 points. nasdaq drifting 3.80% lower. they actually got their way out of the down turn at the same time that the fiscal cliff jump would send us right back into one. conundrum, paradox? how can it be? a couple of reasons. first is what really matters. number one asset, her house, and that house price is going higher as we found out from the 3% gain in home prices reported by the case-shiller survey this morning. you get the property values up and you get a consumer who feels that all is not lost. 14,000 may be transitioning from the hole in their house to being in the black again. that could be driving this whole confidence locomotive. >> all aboard. >> it is the single biggest variable that has changed in the last year. the last time we worked the consumer confidence level, it was in february of 2008. home prices were beginning their traumatic fall. we could b
to talk about whether the fiscal cliff has had any impant on this business, and of course we'll talk about that relationship with sears. back to you. >> thank you very much. >>> is all that spending translating into green for investors? let's collection in with kayla tausche with a "market flash." >> interestingly enough, the retail sector is falling today in the red for most of the big retailers that had those discounts. also was not the big winner even on friday techwise. so the wig question is how much will these discounts actually eat into the potential margins from those blowout sales. if you look, courtney said that department stores were the biggest destination but macy's and nordstrom are two of the biggest laggards on the s&p. costco which had heavily discounted things like the nexus 7, also down today. >>> to congress now which is returning to deal with the biggest economic issue of the day -- that fiscal cliff. john harwood on whether lawmakers are getting any closer to a deal. >>> and coming up on closing bell, pet smart's ceo robert moran will join us live to discuss how his c
one full percentage point. road map for the morning starts off with the fiscal cliff. the president meeting with more ceos today bringing his plan straight to the people culminating in an appearance in a factory later this week. >> costco joins the dividend parting initiating a $7 a share payout on top of the regular dividend. >> and a shake-up at groupon. the board may be considering co-founder being released. >> there's powerball fever. 500 million big ones in the pot. how would you spend the money and how does the fiscal cliff factor in? we'll talk strategy with a former lottery winner. >> we begin with the fiscal cliff. this afternoon president obama is scheduled to meet with several business leaders including ceos of home depot, macy's, caterpillar and at&t but futures are falling with signs there are troubles with negotiations on capitol hill. a market credible deal to solve the cliff is key to economic growth. >> that annual growth idea, that prospect is real in my view if we actually did get a market credible $4 trillion plan. the markets would realize those guys can govern.
a forecast for cyber monday sales. we of course continue to watch the fiscal cliff count down. lawmakers have been trying to convince the naub they are willing to compromise. they return to capitol hill today. >> everything should be on the table. >> bring entitlement reform into the conversation. >> a group of corporate executives are calling on congress to rise above partisan politics to try to find some sort of a solution. we have a lot to talk about with gleg brown and we'll start that in just a moment, but first over to andrew. >>> finance ministers are trying to unfreeze the second bailout package for greece, but first they must agree on how to cut massive debt to a more sustainable level. we'll head to london for details on that. and playing down a deal talk, tom joyce saying his country's currently if talks with at least two firms on a possible sale of its largest business unit. but would only pursue a deal if it created value to shareholders and clients. and mexico's anti-corruption body says it has found no irregularities in its probe of permits given to walmart. two audits still un
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about good feelings. good feelings over possible deal to avert the fiscal cliff. republicans seem to be breaking ranks with the hardliners. talk about maybe raising revenues if the democrats will be willing to do meaningful entitlement reform. that positive tone, the rising above, helped move up the futures right into the bell. who wanted to be short ahead of a weekend deal? what a difference a day makes. this morning we come in, what are they chattering about? greece. greece. can you believe greece? it's standing in the way of a european deal again. this small country with no grip on its finances has europe hostage all over again. without a deal, every major bourse in europe came down last night. we didn't get a sunday night easing from china. worried that the recent positive data can't be maintained without more interest rate cuts. you know what, we've been conditioned to believe that weaker economic data means more stimulus, which leads to higher stock prices here. what happens if the news isn't so good that china becomes a big importer of our goods again but isn't so bad the c
on the fiscal cliff next year and i see the housing market getting better around better and i think that's a positive. >> rick santelli, it wasn't just stocks rallying today. here in the u.s., europe had its best week of the year this week. the euro is at a three-week high. gold was very strong today. what's the market telling us right now? >> i think the market's telling us that there's a lot of bargain hunting and a lot of optimism towards europe. that made sense. i think that the issues of europe are far from cured. i don't think they can be cured. but i do think there's going to be large time gaps where investors hit the gas because the bureaucrats aren't necessarily hitting the brake. whether it's cyprus seems to be an issue. but it's strong. greece really isn't a huge issue but it really does represent kind of how the thinking goes for larger issues that europe has defaced. i found it fascinating, the dollar index closed down over a penny, even though had a strong gain on the week on the yen. it just goes to show you how that euro is so powerful this week and how in the last couple
and into year end. >> well, you have the fiscal cliff. you have the political class. they have to work out some of these budget issues, but sort of beyond the near term, maria, i think they're two underpinnings that are supporting the market. they were in place preelection. hopefully you sort of get through some of these political negotiations. you get back to some of the better underlying fundamental news and some of this volatility starts to dissipate and we start to turn higher. >> rick, you agree with that in terms of the catalyst for this market? you think we get a deal done by year end? >> i don't. i don't. i don't agree with much of what's out there. i think we can get the framework for a grand bargain before the end of the year, but i think that's 50/50. and many analysts, economists, and politicos don't believe there's grand bargains in the cards at all. i do. i think there's so many issues with congress out that i think are going to come to the table to make both sides have a pretty good handle over the other. i think debt ceiling is a big deal. i think that mr. boehner has talked abo
in the fiscal cliff. perhaps the majority of the people who were polled are oblivious to the dangers of the physical cliff. maybe they don't know what it means. maybe they don't know about the tax increases that await us. do they know about the layoffs and the ta awtake away of the stimulus. are they foolish and brave? smug, we won't go back into a recession? perhap s obtuse. first off, we shouldn't be putting that much faith in the consumer value customers to begin with. it was right at the beginning of the breakdown of society as we know it. sure, they were confident. but they were wrong. second, many people polled were paying income taxes. we know that 47% of the people in the country were paying the rates. but a lot of people in the country, cohorts are small and it is a small part of the survey. given how difficult the tax code is to comprehend. i have been trying to figure out what it could be. that makes me cautious. third, it is possible we are overstating the whole fiscal cliff issue. there are people that kcalculat how much they would owe. they are still spending aggressive
the fiscal cliff is or what it means for their paycheck. >> they aren't worried. we'll see how numbers pan out. should be a big shopping weekend for the retailers. cyber-monday is around the corner. this is a big three days. it's funny. cyber-monday first came about when people didn't have high-speed internet. they would have to go to work and shop because it wasn't common. now it's common to have high-speed internet access at home and still you have cyber-monday. >> just as a point of note here, street signs are not allowed to say cyber-monday. i don't believe it. it's five bucks in the beer jar. you already owe 15 bucks. >> it's not "street signs." >> we play by a different set of rules here at post 9. >> we play by melissa's rules here at post 9. >> yours too, david. >> mine too. absolutely. we will be watching any number of retailers in terms of stocks. we'll see how some of the laggers do today. jcpenney. we'll be talking to the chief merchandise officer at sears later in the program. interesting to see given how poor the report was there. >> don't we have the former ceo of jcpenney o
a single share of stock even if he was guaranteed the u.s. goes off the fiscal cliff. just wait until you hear who he thinks should be the treasury secretary. >> we'll begin of course with the deal of the day. conagra foods has agreed to acquire ralcorp for $5 billion. $90 a share in cash. 28% premium to the closing price on monday. kayla tausche reported on potential for a deal between the two companies back in 2011. it creates the largest private label food company in north america. this is a big deal. >> yes, it is. it's big in size in terms of what we've seen in this market. look how excited he is. and they finally got it done. it's been one as you pointed out that was around in 2011. they couldn't get it done. that is conagra. they walked away. ralcorp stock price fell dramatically. they split the post cereal division from ralcorp. the two trade separately. so you did have a company here that perhaps became a little more -- i wouldn't say vulnerable. not as if they were committed to selling. the board composition changed. you have had activist shareholder get on there. that was very
is that we get a fix for the fiscal cliff maybe early january, maybe we go over the cliff for a couple days. and i think the political pressure then to fix it would be intense because of the amt shock. normally 4.5 million pay pay alternative minimum taxes. if we didn't fix this on the 2012 income, what's due in 2013 will be additional taxes of several thousand dollars by an extra 28 million households. 33 million instead of 4.5 million on 2012 taxes. if you're going to file your tax return in january and you expect a refind, if you're in the 75,000 to 300,000 income bracket, forget about it if they don't fix that amt. so i think senators will get calls from a good portion of 28 billion households saying what are you doing raising my taxes. i never withheld. are you going to penalize me because you didn't fix what you fix every year? i think that amt shock is going to drive -- if we go over the fiscal cliff, it will drive a very, very fast fix. but then we'll just have a small bargain later this year. there's not going to be a grand war bargain. >> that could be the worst case scenario is j
the fiscal cliff, that once again put pressure on the markets. that's when things turned down yesterday. you'll see in europe, barely budging at this point. in france, the cac is up by about a point. the ftse is down by less than five points. in germany, the dax is up by less than three points. overnight in asia, you'll see that in japan, the nikkei was up by about .8 of a percent. the shanghai composite up by about 1%. the hang seng was up by 1.4%. oil prices also up slightly, up about 72 cents. not near the higher levels that we had seen because of the concerns in the middle east. 84.7 is where wti stands. the ten-year note is yielding 1.661%. we do have those numbers coming out. the dollar sup across the board. euro is at 1.28. gold prices this morning are indicated up just barely up by about $2.60. >>> let's go across the pond. ross westgate is standing by for us in london. ross, good morning to you. >> good morning, andrew. good to see you ahead of thanksgiving. becky called it. we're pretty flat here in europe. the dow jones being outpaced a little bit more. as you say, the focus very
house speaker john boehner and harry reid this weekend for avoid efforts on fiscal cliff. on wednesday president obama will seek more input from top ceos, including gold man's lloyd blankfein and caterpillar's doug owner hill man. a number will travel to washington to try to reach a deficit cutting deal as part of the fix the debt campaign. so all things fiscal cliff still pre-dominate. we have a time clock that's quickly running out. how important is it that we get an agreement before the end of the year? >> this is like the debt ceiling argument. people got into a panic. that's something we even imposed on ourselves to decide that the debt shouldn't go too high. so it's not a bad thing. same with the fiscal cliff. what are we saying with the fiscal cliff? we're saying the economy might be revealed to be what it's actually doing because we'll take away the artificial supports because we think it's held any enough now to maybe after itself. that might entail a step drop because at the moment we're giving these tax breaks, but we're doing it out of our saving. >> but the point isn't jus
on a retailer that is off the beaten path. bottoming out? there is a lot weighing on this market. fiscal cliff fears. but after weeks of painful retreat, is a turn finally coming? in tonight's edition of off the charts. all coming up on "mad money." don't miss a second of "mad money," follow @jimcramer on twitter, have a question, tweet cramer, #madtweets. send jim an e-mail or give us a call. miss something? head to our website. there's nothing worse than going to the post office and waiting in line. i don't have to leave my desk and get up and go to the post office anymore. [ male announcer ] with stamps.com, you can print real u.s. postage for all your letters and packages. it gives you the exact amount of postage you need the instant you need it. can you print only stamps? no. first class. priority mail. certified. international. and the mailman picks it up. i don't leave the shop anymore. [ male announcer ] get a 4-week trial plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale. go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. side by side so you get the same coverage, ofte
. >> now, here is the question. has president obama put this s fiscal cliff plan on the table. one member of the senate says it is time for president obama to tell america what this man is. that senator is pat toomey of pennsylvania. he is going to join us here in 25 minutes. next up is the republican party about to lose it's soul and principles over the fiscal cliff debate. why is nobody talking ip t inin media about spending cuts. let's talk to brent great to see you on the show. thank you for coming. let me start with this thought. over this fiscal cliff debate. nobody is cutting spending. everybody is talking about taxes. is the gop losing it's soul and principles? >> no one is being serious in it's debate. the fellow from adi is making sound statements. but he is whistling past the graveyard. there is no problem that the obama budget calls for spending giving us a deficit of $1 trillion per year as far as the eye can see. tax cuts didn't cause this. it is spending that caused this. you go to spending. you have the cpo itself is saying the only way to do this is getting obamacare out
-shortened week the markets moved in tandem for the fiscal cliff. up more midweek. the markets continued to climb on friday. stunning accusations that one of america's iconic companies hewlett-packard which acquired autonomy last year for $11 billion is accusing autonomy of what it called serious improprieties in its bookkeeping and inflating its own value. meg witman says the company lied about how much it was worth. >> we believe there's a willful effort on the part of certain members of autonomy management to mislead shareholders when they were a publicly held companies and mislead buyers including hp and we stand by the forensic review we have seen. as you know, we have turned it over to the fcc. >> we are shocked. we have been pretty ambushed by this today. first we heard about it was a press release and we refute them. they are factually incorrect. we'd like to learn more about them. i'm afraid the details haven't been shared with us. >> reporter: autonomy ceo said the company followed normal accounting practices. hp took an $8.8 billion charge this quarter. the stock has lost 50% in 2012.
the 23 year olds, look, are you going to stop spending or cut back because of the fiscal cliff. i'm out there enough already. i can't even go to that level of being out there. >> you can't? >> no, i can't. i can't. i'm a fixture at every mall in the country. this mall of america there was a guy. mike didn't work initially. you handled that so well. the mike didn't work initially for mall of america. >> i threw to him on friday. while you're shopping you still managed to watch us. amazing. >> and miss you? it was just like you didn't skip a beat. like you had actually been to a mall. >> you knew i had never been to a mall. >> i know you have been to a mall. >> what mall? >> time warner center is that a mall? >> that counts as a mall. >> i've been in there. there's a j. crew there. >> yes. yes, there is. i think whole foods also had a big week. >> i do shopping for the night before i head home. >> it's antidotal. it's antidotal. it was supposed to be bad. it wasn't bad. that's my take away. i don't want to deviate from that. i saw an upgrade today. restoration. all of these companies have
about whether the consumer has any of the same concerns about the fiscal cliff or anything else. >> it was a tick up that was going upward. and it came off a little bit the initial readings. so maybe a little bit of cliff is sinking into the consumer. but when we checked on on four key metrics, wages, unemployment, housing and what was the fourth one, debt levels, consumer is in better shape this year than last year. >> what is the chance that right now we haven't lost confidence among consumers and so people are out there this thanksgiving weekend buying, maybe next weekend they're buying, but as the fiscal cliff conversation really hits a ahead in mid-december, that somehow confidence starts to drift. >> seems like an upper income kind of concern given the volatility of the stock market. mass market, as long as they're living pay dlek to paycheck, they're buying for their kids. christmas doesn't stop because of what's happening in washington. >> i think consumer sentiment can be fragile. it's curious that it hasn't sunk in more now and maybe that's because it has not been a na
? >> yeah. they'll mess around for as long as they possibly can and possibly pass a fiscal cliff relief bill or something lining those lines at the final hour. >> do you think it goes on, that it's a long term solution? my personal solution is they find a band-aid that may give us the qe-3 type relief. >> but the question is what your long-term outlook is. if you're betting against u.s. growth, betting against -- or betting there will be a huge issues in the coming years on these -- on the deficit issue, you may want to keep it off the table. >>> there's a third area there. i don't talk to anybody, steve or our guest, who doesn't think the u.s. can easily ramp up growth. the real discussion i don't think is the true u.s. economy. i thinkist the moguling being throw in front of it, our self-inflected issues, you know, last time around we sequestration. are we going to have sequestration 2? of course we'll put a band-aid, but we need leverage to have reform predicated to surrender on the band-aid. >>> we've got to go, guys. i've got to go with this. we've got to move on. this is the last hour
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ben bernanke gave a warning fix the fiscal cliff or we are headed for a severe recession, so far, no concrete proposals and i have to ask again, are we headed for a stalemate or can we find an economy saving common ground. let's talk. we have abigail disney. we'll have a sudden fiscal cliff? >> i worry about the damage that mighting done in fixing it. you don't think the tax increases that could come at the end of the year and the spending cuts of less 100 build, you don't think those would in deuce a severe recession and everybody on wastreet? >> they are not that big of rate increases so far. welcome to the show and what would you do about it? >> they are proposing letting the bush tax cuts stand for everyone because the top 2%. if you raise them and closing the interest loop hole, fixing the estate tax you come out to $100 trillion in savings. >> serious question, you have a famous name and we welcome you onto the program. do you record that as rich? >> what i regard is irrelevant haven't, the fact of the matter is they represent the bottom of the 2% of easternrners in the cou
.s., congress returns from a thanksgiving break he with talks to resolve the fiscal cliff. with no action by lawmakers and president obama, around 600 billion in tax hikes a and spending cuts would take effect in january. republicans and democrats are still in odds over the cause to raise taxes on the wealthiest and cutting on programs like medicare. but both sides saying they're willing to compromise. >> you have to raise additional revenues. there are ways of doing that. >> republicans always put revenue on the table. democrats always promise to cut spending. we never cut spending. what i'm looking for is more revenue for entitlement reform. >> the house speaker has called for a short term fix to overt the fiscal cliff so congress can work on a bigger deal in 2013. they naed to cut out a package that includes revenue hikes and spending cuts by the end of the year. >> americans have been out shopping early and often. almost 140 million kmers hit the stores or shopped online between thursday and sunday. that's up 6% from last year. >> almost a quarter billion shoppers will have been onlin
over the fiscal cliff come january and i want to be ready to climb back out with the right stock after it happens. you can't come from a given day like today, dow 107 points, hey, happy days are here again, right? this is a day where my equipment felt a little -- felt a little superfluous because we had all sorts of happy talk for a bunch of people in washington about how compromise was within reach. however, i think it's been increasingly apparent that we actually may not get a deal in time of the january deadline, something warren buffett pointed out. you don't need to change your philosophy just because we cliffed you. long term it might not matter. not all of you share his sangwin multi-year view of stocks. he can afford to take the long view. if we take the plunge over the cliff, it can cost everyone $2 million, makes everyone pay more in taxes. i don't really want to have this gear. the president said today he thought a deal could be done by christmas. the speaker of the house said he's optimistic a compromise could be reached. i wear this pin every night in in part because i gen
the fiscal cliff. >> the economic confidence of both market participants and the general public will actually be influenced by the extent to which our political system proves able to deliver a reasonable solution with a minimum of uncertainty and delay. >> peter schiff says bernanke and the fed pose a bigger threat to the u.s. economy than the fiscal cliff. >> if it wasn't for his accommodation, all the qes, we wouldn't have to go over the fiscal cliff. in fact, ultimately, because of what the fed has done, we're going to have to go over a much bigger cliff as part of the solution to solve the problems that the fed helped create by allowing the government to get so big. >> is that fair, craig? >> it certainly is fair that long-term, what we've done with monetary policy could be a challenge. it could be a very big challenge. i don't think saying that if we -- if the fed hadn't done what they'd done, you wouldn't have to go off the cliff. i think you still have to deal with the fact that government spending has been too fast over the past -- well, since the recession ended. our gdp has grown at
such a thing as a fiscal cliff like you have in the u.s. the old budget simply takes over up a new budget has been agreed on. so there is no financing disaster in the middle of it. the curious crux to this is if this old budget takes over because of the in-build qui sooif inflation factor in there, it's actually than the new budget they're debating right now, so all the countries pushing for the cut and even putting the threat on the veto on the table, they will actually chief the opposite. we'll keep on spending more even then with a sort of slide budget increase that the eu commission put on the table. and as to where the negotiations stand, i think at the moment the budget talks, pardon to be cynical, but political posturing on the various side than the actual effects in there. because if you look at the mound that the various countries put up into the budget, i think like 9 billion and that is already one of the biggest, we just save banks and sovereigns for hundreds of billions of bailout funds. so in terms of the actual money, this is absolute small cheese. >> absolutely is. silvia, for
a favorable external environment, meaning u.s. not going into this deep due to the fiscal cliff. and also signs of improvement in asia. >> meanwhile the french pmi says the survey there suggests a 0.7% gdp drop in quarter 4 for france. >> that seems quite large. we've seen in recent quarters numbers out of front which were higher than suggested by the pmis, however, they then revised down q2. so i'm looking for a contraction of 0.3 in france quarter on quarter in q4. >> what's going to change things, ricardo, what will turn things around? >> i think on the policy front, not much one can effect. fiscal policy will remain tight next year. the ecb doesn't have a huge margin to ease policy. i'm expecting that they will cut the refinancing rate. but i don't think it will go to negative rates for now. so they can only do perhaps 25 basis points on the main refinancing rate. the omt bond buying facility can only be activated if one of the countries apply. and it doesn't look like neither spain nor italy will apply anytime soon. and anyway the bond yields have declined quite a bit compared to jul
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